I listened to another podcast! Go me! I am a big Tracey Emin fan so I went for this episode where she is in conversation with David Dawson:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0DHCRQnQvseUkwQV72mzqj?si=6SVIsL9cT1y6ebEFfmKgjg
It was generally very interesting with Dawson talking about Lucien Freud's work (he was his studio assistant) and Emin comparing and contrasting with her own work.
However, I was particularly taken by this quote from Emin about meaning (at around time make 30:32):
...you would never go to a fortune teller and be happy if the fortune teller told you what you already know. And it's exactly the same with being an artist or a painter. You don't want to paint the painting you know, you want to paint the painting you didn't know ever existed
The transcript is a bit mangled, and I don't want to listen because it freaks the daughter out, but I think that's pretty close!
I think this aligned with my own approach of allowing my subconscious (Tathos) to drive a lot of process, while reflecting in the process as to what might be going on (Tomgos). It is a great made-to-stick way of expressing it.
I guess Tomgos would say "well, maybe the process reveals things you didn't know that you knew" and Tathos would say "that's what she said!".
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